Yes Sven, good point; why to use an electronic and mechanical mixed
cloth shutter for the SL35ME and Voigtländer VSL 2 manufactured from
September 1976 if Rollei already had an electronic metal shutter
developed before 1972 by ZI/Voigtländer. It does not make sense. The
SL35ME shutter had several problems and it's very, very rare to find
an unit working today. Facts are that the Rolleiflex and Voigtländer
cameras from ZI/Voigtländer origin no longer were manufactured from
the beginning of 1979, when appeared the VSL3 E and SL35 E with the
new Rollei symmetric electronic shutter.
Regards
Carlos
2014-03-05 18:03 GMT-03:00 Sven Keller <***@netcologne.de>:
> Time is on Prochnow's side, isn't it?
>
> Any Voigtländer development of a symetrical and electronic metal shutter
> would have had to have taken place *before* 1972.
> If it exists, it seems strange that Rollei did not take advantage of this
> development for the subsequent Rollei and Voigtländer cameras, not even for
> the electronic shutter SL35ME of 1976.
>
> And after mid 1974 Rollei certainly had an own reason to develop such a
> shutter, as documented by the SL2000 design model.
>
> So to me, Prochnow's story sounds pretty logical, and having such a
> development and not using it until 1977 (VSL 3-E) and 1980 (SL2000F) does
> not.
>
> Then again, Rollei did many strange things...
>
> Regards,
>
> Sven
>
>
>
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> An: ***@freelists.org
> Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: Rolleiflex SL 35 E
>
> Marc:
> The Rollei electronic metal focal plane shutter was unique for its
> symmetric design. Prochnow does not mention Zeiss Ikon or Voigtländer
> regarding the new Rollei electronic shutter, he only mentions the engineers
> and designers from Rollei and those coming from ZI/Voigtländer, working
> together for the K-62 project, to create a new generation of Voigtländer and
> Rolleiflex electronic cameras to replace the existent cameras. I wrote in my
> previous post under the subject "Rollei electronic shutter and Rolleiflex SL
> 2000" the team members names. They started to develop the new shutter after
> they knew about the cubic camera with the lens at the camera body center in
> July 1974, it required an _unique_ electronic metal shutter with symmetric
> design, it means the components to drive the shutter are on both sides of
> the shutter.
>
> Jan Böttcher in his Rollei Report pages shows drawings for this shutter with
> patent numbers:
> http://www.janboettcher.de/MuseumR3eng.html (from the middle of the page)
> One of the main patents is this one:
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/
> US4110773.pdf
>
> Erwin Scholz from Brunswick, Germany, appears as inventor and the patent
> was asigned to Rollei Werke F&H. Erwin Scholz is one of the Rollei engineers
> mentioned in my previous post as member of the team.
> The patent is from August 29, 1978 USA and from July 22, 1976, in Germany.
> Erwin Scholz, Rollei Werke, 1974-1976-1978 are saying something.
>
> The Rollei Report 3, more than author's views or opinions, shows facts about
> the Rolleiflex SL 2000. The page 44-850 has a photograph about the basic
> design PR (Prochnow Register) 571/1, it's a perfect cube with a basis to
> simulate a motor, the caption comments it's the first
> 1974 design from arquictecture studio Franzmann in Hamburg, "Rolleiflex" is
> engraved in the body. The page 44-851 shows a photograph with frontal and
> lateral view about the first 1976 prototype for the SL 2000, PR 571/2, this
> protoype is provided with several details "Rolleiflex" and "SL 2000" is
> engraved in the body.
> The page 44-852 shows a photograph about the 1977 prototype from Ernst
> Moeckl, the camera body is engraved with "Rolleiflex" and "SL 2000 E".
> The page 44-853 shows a photograph about the "Rolleiflex SL 2000F"
> and the modular system parts, each page has explanations about the camera
> development.
> The Rolleiflex SL 2000 has nothing or almost nothing from ZI/Voigtländer,
> most internal parts were from the SL35 E and SLX .
> I also find very interesting to discuss these matters with you Marc.
>
> Carlos
>
> 2014-03-05 4:05 GMT-03:00 Marc James Small <***@comcast.net>:
>> Carlos
>> Zeiss Ikon -- well, the Voigtländer engineers who had been taken over
>> under the ZIV deal -- produced the metal shutter used in the prototype ZI
> SL2000F.
>> That shutter was fully developed by the time Rollei took over much of
>> the old Voigtländer assets when Zeiss Ikon was pulled out of camera
> production.
>> Prochnow contended that this was a Rollei development but it was not,
>> as Zeiss Ikon had developed it and passed it on to Rollei when they
>> took over much of the Zeiss Ikon designs. Rollei picked up all rights
>> to these cameras, incidentally, including patent and other
>> intellectual property rights.
>>
>> Zeiss retained the Contares but this simply led to the Yashica Contax
>> RTS, and Zeiss separately sold the SL725 to Wolf, who were never able
>> to get it into publication.
>>
>> Thirty years back, I knew a number of the engineers who had worked on
>> these shutters, some in person and others indirectly and a few by
>> mail. Their stories are consistent: the electronic shutter was
>> started when Voigtländer was still an independent asset owned by the
>> Zeiss Foundation and then went over to be further developed after the
>> merger which formed Zeiss Ikon Voigtländer, eventually leading to the
>> one with metal curtains intended for the abortive ZI SL 2000F and which
> was then, in turn, passed on to Rollei.
>> F&H had a very long history with Voigtländer dating back to its first
>> days and so the shutter in the Rolleiflex SL2000F and SL35E share a
>> Rollei heritage.
>>
>> I recognize Prochnow's views on this, and, of course, nil nisi bonum
>> mortuis. The truth is, though, that the facts speak contrary to his
> views.
>> You might want to join the Zeiss Ikon Collectors' Group on Yahoo!
>> Lists and express his position there. Be prepared to meet some
>> opposition, as some of our members on the ZICG also knew these self-same
> engineers.
>>
>> Carlos, it is always a delight to discuss matters such as this with you.
>> You hold your ground well.
>>
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
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