Discussion:
127 Film for Babies
rocketmanpm .
2014-04-18 23:29:38 UTC
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I have some questions for RUG members:

Has anyone used the 127 film being sold under the Rollei label?

What reason justifies it being spooled backward so the emulsion is "behind"
the substrate?

Is this configuration exceedingly objectionable?

Thanks in advance.

Peter
John Wild
2014-04-19 08:14:30 UTC
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Peter,

I bought some Redbird without fully realising what it was. It is designed to shoot through the film base colour so all photos have a strong red cast. When I got my prints back, I accused the processors of having 'messed it up’ - they denied it strongly ;-) And then I did more research - it is supposed to be ‘creative’. I had bought it as a colour film, which was its description but it had not been mentioned on the website that it was strongly red.

I do not know why it is rolled that way. I expect Carlos will have an explanation but I would guess that most of these Rollei branded films are old stock and are rolled inside out as with Redbird & Nightbird and that Crossbird is recommended to be processed as E6 or C41 - is because the film is well out of date and treating it this way will be an excuse for the results not being what would be expected from today’s films. I have used Crossbird in E6 and I find the results are quite pleasing with a 60’s/70’s muted colouration.

I have found that most of the ISO speeds recommended for Rollei films that I have used are not that accurate and tests should be carried out. The ISO for IR film I used without a filter was OK but using with the recommended speed of 12 ISO with an IR filter gave virtually nothing on the negative. I will try a roll at 1 ISO next time. I accept that it does depend on how much red there is in the subject but even reds were barely visible.

127 films are once again almost impossible to find again. Ferrania are asking for emails to gauge the potential market for out of production films because they hope to re-introduce some. Send them a message at http://www.filmferrania.it/contact/ saying what films types and formats you would be interested in purchasing if they start manufacturing again.

John
Post by rocketmanpm .
Has anyone used the 127 film being sold under the Rollei label?
What reason justifies it being spooled backward so the emulsion is "behind" the substrate?
Is this configuration exceedingly objectionable?
Thanks in advance.
Peter
CarlosMFreaza
2014-04-19 12:33:29 UTC
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John:
This is a film thought for Lomography mainly. Lomography is
one of the ways to sell film today. It's a new film, according Maco.
It's interesting to note that the Redbird colors could change
according the shutter speed used and that since the film is exposed
through the base, it produces a slightly diffused image.
https://www.flickr.com/groups/analogue_photo/discuss/72157621897275883/

http://www.lomography.com/photos/films/871918560-rollei-redbird-400

Carlos
Post by John Wild
Peter,
I bought some Redbird without fully realising what it was. It is designed to shoot through the film base colour so all photos have a strong red cast. When I got my prints back, I accused the processors of having 'messed it up’ - they denied it strongly ;-) And then I did more research - it is supposed to be ‘creative’. I had bought it as a colour film, which was its description but it had not been mentioned on the website that it was strongly red.
I do not know why it is rolled that way. I expect Carlos will have an explanation but I would guess that most of these Rollei branded films are old stock and are rolled inside out as with Redbird & Nightbird and that Crossbird is recommended to be processed as E6 or C41 - is because the film is well out of date and treating it this way will be an excuse for the results not being what would be expected from today’s films. I have used Crossbird in E6 and I find the results are quite pleasing with a 60’s/70’s muted colouration.
I have found that most of the ISO speeds recommended for Rollei films that I have used are not that accurate and tests should be carried out. The ISO for IR film I used without a filter was OK but using with the recommended speed of 12 ISO with an IR filter gave virtually nothing on the negative. I will try a roll at 1 ISO next time. I accept that it does depend on how much red there is in the subject but even reds were barely visible.
127 films are once again almost impossible to find again. Ferrania are asking for emails to gauge the potential market for out of production films because they hope to re-introduce some. Send them a message at http://www.filmferrania.it/contact/ saying what films types and formats you would be interested in purchasing if they start manufacturing again.
John
Post by rocketmanpm .
Has anyone used the 127 film being sold under the Rollei label?
What reason justifies it being spooled backward so the emulsion is "behind" the substrate?
Is this configuration exceedingly objectionable?
Thanks in advance.
Peter
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Chris Burck
2014-04-19 13:44:50 UTC
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As far as sources for 127 film, Ilford does their special order film
cutting one a year. So, if you have old rollfilm cameras that use
oddball/obsolete film sizes like 127 or 122, and you would like to use them
(for B/W, at least), get in touch with Ilford customer support to find out
when they start taking orders for the next custom batch. Seems to me the
most recent was just a few months ago.
Post by CarlosMFreaza
This is a film thought for Lomography mainly. Lomography is
one of the ways to sell film today. It's a new film, according Maco.
It's interesting to note that the Redbird colors could change
according the shutter speed used and that since the film is exposed
through the base, it produces a slightly diffused image.
https://www.flickr.com/groups/analogue_photo/discuss/72157621897275883/
http://www.lomography.com/photos/films/871918560-rollei-redbird-400
Carlos
Post by John Wild
Peter,
I bought some Redbird without fully realising what it was. It is
designed to shoot through the film base colour so all photos have a strong
red cast. When I got my prints back, I accused the processors of having
'messed it up' - they denied it strongly ;-) And then I did more research -
it is supposed to be 'creative'. I had bought it as a colour film, which
was its description but it had not been mentioned on the website that it
was strongly red.
Post by John Wild
I do not know why it is rolled that way. I expect Carlos will have an
explanation but I would guess that most of these Rollei branded films are
old stock and are rolled inside out as with Redbird & Nightbird and that
Crossbird is recommended to be processed as E6 or C41 - is because the
film is well out of date and treating it this way will be an excuse for the
results not being what would be expected from today's films. I have used
Crossbird in E6 and I find the results are quite pleasing with a 60's/70's
muted colouration.
Post by John Wild
I have found that most of the ISO speeds recommended for Rollei films
that I have used are not that accurate and tests should be carried out. The
ISO for IR film I used without a filter was OK but using with the
recommended speed of 12 ISO with an IR filter gave virtually nothing on the
negative. I will try a roll at 1 ISO next time. I accept that it does
depend on how much red there is in the subject but even reds were barely
visible.
Post by John Wild
127 films are once again almost impossible to find again. Ferrania are
asking for emails to gauge the potential market for out of production films
because they hope to re-introduce some. Send them a message at
http://www.filmferrania.it/contact/ saying what films types and formats
you would be interested in purchasing if they start manufacturing again.
Post by John Wild
John
Post by rocketmanpm .
Has anyone used the 127 film being sold under the Rollei label?
What reason justifies it being spooled backward so the emulsion is
"behind" the substrate?
Post by John Wild
Post by rocketmanpm .
Is this configuration exceedingly objectionable?
Thanks in advance.
Peter
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Chris Burck
2014-04-19 13:46:47 UTC
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BTW, when Ilford does this, it's just the bulk film stock. Spooling and
backing paper are your responsibility.
rocketmanpm .
2014-04-19 15:52:54 UTC
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My thanks to all who have responded. I will get some of the Rollei, taking
note of the color shift and variability. This seems to be an okay thing
with the Lomo & Impossible crowd. I'll also try the Bluefire Murano.
There is a lab up the road in San Clemente that accommodates the various
film types. Peter
Post by Chris Burck
BTW, when Ilford does this, it's just the bulk film stock. Spooling and
backing paper are your responsibility.
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